My Gay Week

Well said. It was quite exciting participating in the review that day as a licence issuing body. The Province here pre-empted any choice which might have been considered by acting a herf=”http://ottawa.cbc.ca/regional/…“>quickly and decisively. Sadly, others sat on their hands, as I discussed here. Maybe its the wallpaper they have to work within that leads to the deary unhappy look. Alberta’s wacky regressive sexual laws.

Yikes - sorry Peter - ugly HTML. I needs my preview page, buddy.

I love how Canada keeps making may more proud day by day to call this country my home. Whether it’s the strong opposition again war, or the fact that we do recognize that society is changing and there is not much we can do about it, Canada is one hell of a country.

To be honest, maybe I’m living a naive existence, but I’m shocked at the struggle is it taking for people just to have the right to love. Someone on the news said it best when they said the world has excepted gay sex, but not gay love. That’s it ok to have sex, but not to love. And in a world where love is something we so desperately need, my jaw is still on the floor on this one. It was a point so well made. I am a straight person with a lot of gay friends so I often see the struggle they go through. But, how can any of us as humans deny a person the right to share happiness, love and quality time with anyone, no matter what sex they are. I know that this seems like an easy concept to easy to me, and I accept that maybe it is not to others. Religions, beliefs and upbringings will always be diverse and always hold a strong place in society. But I still can’t bring myself to agree with the concept of denying a fellow human the right to love and be in a consenting adult relationship. So for Canada’s efforts at stepping up the plate and saying we are allowing our country to enjoy love and happiness, I say thank you. And good luck with the fight against the appeal for the decision.

and I agree, we need a preview option here. So many typos, I hope my post made sense. I get on a rant and forget to watch what I’m doing.. sorry.

I conldnt agre wth yu mre.

More “gee shucks” on the constitutional rights of Canadians.

Just so the knives won’t come our, Jamie Muir, NS Minister and high school math teacher from by CEC days in Truro, doesn’t understand how the constitution works either.

And some in NB seems to consider it a great tourist opportunity! - quite a difference.

“I conldnt agre wth yu mre” …. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Belgians? Cool? I’ve got to side with the Yanks here Peter, really. Belgians!

I was upset the other day when I read a letter in the Guardian saying that the bible was against gay marriage. His position was that he was a Christian.

Where in the gospels does Jesus attack gays?

Did not he have a really tolerant view of relationships? What was all that about casting stones? Who were his freends? Who was his special friend who stood at the foot of the cross and who dared go to the tomb? Who said that the church was not a building but in us? Who said that process was not as important as the heart? Who was a rebel and an anti authoritarian figure?

Jesus epitomises tolerance and anti establishment. He died for love - his attack on the establishment took him to the cross.

Now the Old Testament is another thing - but I ask why do so many “Christians” cherry pick the old testament to tell us that as a Christian you must oppose gays.

I hear Jesus being pissed at such an idea

Aside from that, Jesus was clearly anti-banking in the sense of interest and fee for currency exchange. He was not big on the state either. Caesers’ coin and all. Kind of a leftist anarchist. Exactly the guy the average US fundamentalist republican right establishmet guy these days hates. That’s why it takes so much effort to rebrand Him via TV, control of the state, glorifying though wealth accumuation rather than sweat, justifying war. Tough times for Jesus, baby.

Yes Alan - the so called religioue right are the antithesis of his teachings and own life - yet they claim their authority from him

As a member of the silent majority, I would say nothing more to the new nuptuials then to welcome them to the world of pre-nups, seperation agreements, legal disclosures, exhorbadent lawyer fees and divorce.

Funny, Wanyne… when my silent maority meet we are not running into each other. That being that, well said.

Elsie Wayne’s defense of traditional marriage made me wonder for a moment what we are losing if we allow gay marriage. I love family, mom & dad, and home and would not want to jeopardize that in any way, I agree with Elsie that these things are important. Can someone point out to me what damage she fears? I don’t get it.

Is it like inflation, if we print too many marriage licenses they will be de valued?

Maybe it’s the same-sex sex that bothers her?

We give all the rights of a person to a corporation which is pretty wack and more of a legal stretch than gay marriage. And we allow corporate marriages in the form of mergers, they are two bodies each with the rights of a person - is it because corporations can’t have sex that this is not a problem?

Re: Wayne’s comments.

I read this in a tiny little editorial in the Post (can’t remember for sure, pretty sure it was the post) but I thought it was cute. I’m paraphrasing, but its something along the lines of:

… only after years of marriage will you come to fully understand the idea of same-sex.

Rob

Dita, your post inspired these thoughts:

Most people who are capable of love have loved a gay person.

Most people capable of sex have not had gay sex.

(Just call me “Rube” if either of those prove incorrect.)

How could the world be ready for gay sex and not gay love? Can love have a sexual orientation? Can love survive being “oriented”?

“Oriented” love must also posess one more attribute; absentness.

“With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams,” marrige is still a wonderful institution. But, it is not for everyone, and every relationship.

ATV Milestones is gonna get a whole-lot more interesting! Imagine…the year is 2010. We have Mr. and Mr. XYZ’s(/i> 20th anniversary. In the picture, we have the feathers, pink chaffon(I can’t even spell “chaffon!) and multicolored matching bras to go with the red leather pants and toolbelt. Sure, why not??

What envelopes will we be pushing in the year 2010???

Sorry about the tag….

Why is this still italics, Peter?

Help!

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Did that do it?

LOL, I am not sure…hard to tell with “???”

There, I am all better now! Had to throw in the closing tag to end this confusion. But, wierd it would carry on to my next comments.

As I have been told in the same circumstances, this page is one single page so an improperly closed tag will carry over on the display. I had it in my head originally that each reply displayed was a discrete file. I understand now that this would be awfully over complex.

IMHO religion (“wacky regressive sexual laws”) is the “root of all evil”……that’s it - it’s really that simple.

I thought money was the root of all folk music?

Praise the lord and pass the amunition!

The legal distinction of marriage is the key to receiving benefits like survivor payments from a pension, or cheaper car insurance, or immigration rights.

Maybe a lot of gay immigrants will be allowed to pay lower car insurance with their inheritance?
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Marriage is going to the dogs.

Another example of a different view ofmarriage.

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White out!

[quote] How could the world be ready for gay sex and not gay love? [/quote]

The difference with gay love and gay sex is placement. See, with gay sex, people know it happens, people can oppose it, people can be down right against it.. but people (in most cases) don’t have to see it. What goes on behind closed doors can stay behind close doors so to speak. Now, with gay love, it’s more in your face. And by in your face I don’t mean gay people by any means try to shove it down your throat anymore then John and Jane Straight do.. I mean it’s more available to people now.. Gay love was something couples had to hide. There was no holding hands in the mall, or kissing in the park like the rest of the worlds couple could. It was left at home where the sex was.. it is foreign and unknown. And we all know people tend to fear the unknown.

Canada is now telling us, hold up.. let’s treat gay people the same as everyone else. They want to marry and have rights too. They want to be able to speak up for their loved ones at the hospital when they are sick, or be the spouse at a funeral. They want to be able to hold their loved ones hand and say “yup, you got it, we’re married”. But society as a whole is just getting used to this idea. It’s like letting the bull out of the cage… we’ve accepted seeing the bull behind bars, but now we have to play with him like all the others.

and personally, I think it’s great.

Apparently, above does not speak for ALL Canada

Marriage and Same-Sex Unions

Statement by the Permanent Council of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops

Marriage understood as the lasting union of a man and woman to the exclusion of others pre-exists the State. Because it pre-exists the State and because it is fundamental for society, the institution of marriage cannot be modified, whether by the Charter of Rights, the State or a court of law.

Enlarging and thereby altering the definition of marriage in order to include same-sex partners discriminates against marriage and the family, and deprives them of social and legal recognition as the fundamental and irreplaceable basis of society.

Permanent Council
Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops
Ottawa, 19 June 2003

More…

Perhaps it is about time these tired old men (Bishops) were to stay in their churches and not pester the rest of society with their foolishness.

Perhaps a group that has only engaged in marriage ceremonies for a handful of hundred years for the millenia it has been practiced and who have some particular personal beliefs about it might not be a relevant source outside a set of common believers.

Oh yea of little faith…

A CBC radio programme this evening has me wondering…what if somebody wants to marry their cousin…or brother? What if somebody (God help them) wants a second wife…or to marry the neighbors wife? Who will be able to deny them the request, and under what grounds? Will this segment of society receive the same sympathy and support that the Gays and Lesbians have generated? Why not?

A real Pandora’s Box, so to speak…

Thanx for the FUD, Wayne.

And furthermore…… I and hopefully others do not mind at all what you , or anyone else cares to believe in as long as you do not attempt to foist it upon me. If you are able to live in a completely self-contained community where everyone believes exactly the same thing, you are welcome to.

Like it or not, we live in a multi-cultural society. This will not change regardless of all the efforts of all the fascist types that abound.

All of us need to be able to function together and apart. Our history as a race is clear: religious repression spawns a lot of killing. We need to be able to play nice together - NO MATTER WHAT.

I’ll drink to that…just offered points to ponder…It is easy to see I have not “foisted” anything…just posed difficult to answer questions. I would add to that that it really does not matter to me whether or not YOU OR ANYONE ELSE mind what I believe in…does not change one darn thing. Regulars here I am sure would agree about that regarding me, and most feel as I do about their OWN opinions.

Furthermore…
I have been called from time to time a “problem”, a “Conservative”, opinionated and conservative but this is the first time someone has inferred me as a “Facist”.

I play well with others, by the way. Just ask any golfer at Belvedere.