Johns Hamilton Gray

Students of Canadian history will recall two men named John Hamilton Gray being Fathers of Confederation, one from Prince Edward Island and the other from New Brunswick.

So, a simple style question: when referring to both in a sentence, would you write “Johns Hamilton Gray” or “John Hamilton Grays”? Like:

On Monday night we had the Sir John A. Macdonald and the Johns Hamilton Gray over for supper.

Please advise.


Charles's picture
Charles on July 7, 2010 - 00:22 Permalink

John Hamilton Grays sounds more correct. The three parts of the name act together as a single subject, so it makes more sense to put the s at the end of the noun rather than somewhere in the middle… Grammer has never been my strong suit though.

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DerekMac on July 7, 2010 - 02:41 Permalink

It’s definitely “John Hamilton Grays”, which you could shorten to “We had the Grays over for supper last night” (“We had the Johns over” just doesn’t sound right!) as opposed to “Governors General”, which would contract to “We had the Governors over last night”.
My simplified rule is that you pluralize the part that can stand alone.
The official rule ( is:
The majority of English compound nouns have one basic term, or head, with which they end, and are pluralized in typical fashion e.g. “able seaman” = “able seamen”
A compound that has one head, with which it begins, usually pluralizes its head e.g. “son-in-law” = “sons-in-law” and “attorney general” = “attorneys general”
There are also some with two heads, where can pluralize both, such as “sons of bitches” and “heads of states”, or you can leave the second head singular.
Of course, as time passes, everything will eventually standardize to the “regular” form with the “S” at the end, leaving us with “governor generals” and “son in laws”. Pity.

oliver's picture
oliver on July 7, 2010 - 07:47 Permalink

Depends whether dinner was at a brothel.

David Upton's picture
David Upton on July 7, 2010 - 16:56 Permalink

Perhaps (only in this instance) you should consider using the phrase, ” John Hamilton (Shades of) Gray” or maybe “Shades of John Hamilton Gray” This is important because there may be more than two. Nuance is everything!